A few known facts and a few overstated kernels of truth give a false, gleaming varnish of Truth Exposed when twisted around implications and presumptions based on false logic, when theyre confidently stated as reality, and lead the non-critical reader to unquestioningly believe exactly what the writer has skewed their words to lead them to believe. Wow! So whats my point; well its not to minimize the history of Black slaves. The Surname is MAY and the earliest records indicate1704 in the US. Instead of having to round up the rebellious and often unreliable Irish, the African trade was already packaged and ready for sale. [] Source: How Blacks have Irish Last Names []. Another name, OGallchobhair, which is the Irish version of the popular name Gallagher, means foreign help. Donovan Irish. But we still must take into consideration that the Irish were hated for being Catholics, and that this was the main reason behind making them into slaves. .History appeared to have been a bit unfair to the Irish, in terms of slavery. After which they were given the title of white and used as overseers on plantations. Shame on you. There are good apples and bad apples in every group of people, and people tend to do things based on more local things than racial ideology. 3. Murphy (56648) 2. Murphy 2. Simply put, they could blend in and have a life. ack sure the English were only RAPEING women and children for 800 years talking are homes are lands hanging us for are religion we were slaves to the English for years ack and sure only 1 million people died of starvation watching there kids dieing one by one resorting to poor houses were you worked for food. N I was really grateful to lean this. I want to thank everyone for reading my postit was a topic Ive been pondering for a while..I was tired of being asked the same questions over and over..your last name is Irish but you are black. Slavery was not born purely out of racism; racism was a later byproduct or justification for slavery. Required fields are marked *. She has travelled Europe, Africa, America, Asia and Australia and still claims that wanderlust tempts her daily. It became a first name in the nineteenth century, and was used in Ireland to anglicise Duald, Dubhdaleithe (black man of the two sides), and Dubhdara. There were no Irish people born in America as a slave based on their mother being a slave.. Do you still have your list of sources? So with that in mind I guess history allready was rewritten in favour of the British This, by the way, is why Malcolm Little became "Malcolm X". They got to keep their last names because they were easy to pronounce.. Its common sense guys. Id not opt to tell a modern day slave (servant?) The English settlers (the masters in Ireland, supported by the English/British army) spoke English. If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. And so on.., http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-stolen-village-des-ekin/1113681635?ean=9781847174314#productInfoTabs. All the people who were desperately trying to find something or someone to debunk irish slavery never looked at his credentials lol ..Liam hogan again isnt a irish historian, he is a self taught librarian,yet he is on 20 some odd websites and 30 some odd blogs lol hahahaha like are u guys serious????? Their names would have been familiar enough to any English masters. Think about their rage The fighting irish especially 100 years ago you wouldnt have not one Irishman admitting they were ever slaves ( they would talk about it amongst themselves, but never with outsiders whom werent real irish. When the KKK did not get enough traction in the south in the early part of the 20th century they moved North and preyed upon the Irish and Catholic immigrant. I am tired of the Irish and their historical lies!!!!! White people can treat their own quite horribly, history tells. It was not until the late 18th century that physical traits alone was being shopped around as an identifier of race, and much later till that idea would even flirt with the consciousness of the mainstream. It derives from the Gaelic word Ciarn, ciar meaning black, and -an being a diminutive suffix. African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). The Irish often were poor and condescended by society but they were legal citizens and had a better status than a slave. One of the most famous ODohertys is Irish stand-up comedian David ODoherty. Indentured servitude was a form of bonded labour, whereby a migrant agreed to work for a set period of time (between two and seven years) and in return the cost of the voyage across the Atlantic was covered. Word of warning: My commentary rivals the original article in length. The division of humans was more to do with social characteristics, rather than physical ones. And of course, if youre starving, and there are no jobs anywhere, and theres no healthcarewell, what difference does it make if youre not enslaved? My ancestors were lucky to survive this part of history. Variant form (s) O'Conor, Connor, Conor. There has been slavery of some form for as long as humans have been homosapiens. IRA was very active at what time and why are you bringing terrorists into this? That is the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. While the Irish did not have it good they had much better circumstances than slaves. This was brought about by many different factors and not just slavery as most people seem to think. Posting this post is perpetuating the ideology of white supremacy. Kerry Meaning: "black-haired" "dark-haired" "dark-haired clan" Variations: Keri, Kerri, Kari, Carrie, Cerise, Cherise, Cherri, Cherry In many cases freed slaves took the surname of people who were also kind to them. Black Surname Meaning Black is a Scottish surname primarily. As far as calling them slaves for working while serving their sentence (BS). it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English,Welsh, Scottish, Black, White, or any other race or colour, you just needed to be POOR. For those of you wondering which Irish family names are most-popular today, your wait is finally over! Africans sold Israelites. It seems more likely that "Black Irish" is a descriptive term rather than an inherited characteristic that has been applied to various categories of Irish people over the centuries. Sell whatever lies you like, but if you think the Irish were not deeply involved in some of the fiercest fighting of The Civil War (for both sides), then why would any other opinion you hold be deemed worthy of merit? Ireland and its culture are known world-over. One of the most famous Duffys is rock musician Billy Duffy. Google how and why enslaving whites/Christians was outlawed in the U.S. Im not going to do the research for you. Famous Dalys include American actress Tyne Daly, television host Carson Daly, and actress and TV personality Tess Daly. Where the Black Irish really came from and no, it wasnt the Spanish Armada, Mariah Careys Black Irish liquor cannot be sold in Ireland due to legal battle, International Irish Coffee Day: The history and recipe of Irish coffee. We are Irish from the north of Ireland. Case and point, to her its all about race. I have about 3 lines of my family in which this happened. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. Karen, first and foremost thank you for your reply. Only a few took on the last names of their former owners, some took names from the Bible. It is safe to say that if we knew all of history everyones ancestry has been enslaved at sometime. Had you read the history on it you know this but even without a history lesson you shouldve been able to logically reason this out abecause in order for us to have their last names it would HAVE TO MEAN THAT THEY WERENT SLAVES AT THE TIME because slaves arent allowed to have their name live on only free people did For those of you keen to dig a little deeper into your roots, we suggest you check out ancestry.com! The only qualifying factor is; if its dehumanizing and/oppressive then its wrong! My maiden name is Mc Knight. Another part of history that is not covered in our history books. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Barbados has an enclave on the island, the descendants of Irish slaves who never integrated with others, they speak with a slight Irish accent but as a race they suffer from alcoholism and diabetes and inbreeding. In contrast, however, at this same period in history, predominately, the Portuguese and Spanish were colonizing and enslaving the indigenous population of the South America continent. But this narrative of Irish victimization is being used by racist whites to oppose social progress These last names chosen were often those of Union soldiers whom were primarily Irish. Of which you can incarnate into any body next time around. And dont realise you are all from the one race- the human race. Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. Saying that the Irish were treated worse because they were Catholic might be so on the occasional individual basis, but as a group, they didnt have their history, their names, and even the memories of their religions and homelands stripped from them. Its usually done to earn money for the commissary or to pay back a debt to the person they committed the crime on. How did Blacks end up with Irish names? or any other colour or race, you just needed to be POOR. Was that part of their original contract? Johnson took him to court and the judge ruled that Anthony Johnson did not have to release this man. One of the most famous OConnells is singer-songwriter Billie Eilish who was born Billie Eilish Pirate Baird OConnell. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives. But it seems that your fellow Irish forgot both about the atrocities done to them and working side by side with African slaves. It is widely believed that the Norman invaders of Ireland are who is commonly referred to as the black Irish. If you notice, there is nothing said at all about color in the constitution concerning slaves. Did irish people have it worse than blacks??? Captured irish were SLAVES, and nothing but slaves, no matter how these hysterical (fake) leftists are trying to prove otherwise. I can trace my Ancestry on my Maternal Grandmothers (Fathers) side of the Family Tree back to Ireland. "Can't beat a good Irish pub" - David Beckham celebrates son's birthday in Dublin, UPDATE: Alex Murdaugh sentenced to life in prison for murdering wife and son, WATCH: Irish bishop's funeral held in Los Angeles today, Liam Neeson, Michael D Higgins and Bono among voices featured on "Patrick Kavanagh Almost Everything'", Rita OHare passes a mighty voice for justice is stilled, Brian Donnelly, Irish American visa hero, has died. Who where these owners? I always wondered why so many African Americans had the same last name as I did when I was single. When Blacks succeeded in creating wealth and communities that allowed Blacks to have good lives, they were systematically destroyed by angry envious bigoted white people of every background including Irish. Think about this; slavery is a serious business and slaves are property like cattle, horses, sheep etc. Indeed this criminalisation of the poor continues into the 21st century. You also havent delved into how racism could have played into how African and Irish slaves were treated. That is why African Americans carry Irish surnames today. The Norman invasions of 1170 and 1172 led by Strongbow saw yet another wave of immigrants settle in the country, many of whom fiercely resisted English dominance of the island in the centuries that followed. Whether or not this was an actual invasion or rather a more gradual migration and assimilation of their culture by the native Irish is open to conjecture, but there is sufficient evidence to suggest that this latter explanation is more likely. Then they faced the Nina signs( no irish need apply) etc etc..basically, the irish tried so hard to fit in, after 800 years of oppression,real oppressionthey wanted to fit in bad..they wanted to be white!! There are points of contention with this article dont get me wrong, Im debating the who suffered which is not really a secret except it seems in the white-washed Protestant nation that is the United States to which many Blacks seem to be connected with. If you cant even get that right!!!! An indentured servant is not a slave. The numbers and the periods have also been exaggerated to make the act look gross and longer. The black people of today are not harmed by the slavery of decades ago any more than I (an Irish-American) or any other Irishmen are. Britains solution was to auction them off as well. Do you have any references from which I can further research this? Did they live off the land, eat a lot of potatoes? Yes, the Irish were treated horribly by the English, but they were not sold as slaves, per se, to the West Indies. I Will keep the research going and will write another post that you will love. If you didnt have money you had nothing. The Irish were hated because they were catholics. There was discrimination and stereotyping of Irish, and there were many Irish supporting the abolition movement, and later solidarity with the civil rights movement. A slave was property and could be killed if the owner chose to do so. I think that this article is an insult to the horrors that blacks had to go through during slavery. Disgusting lies like this are akin to Holocaust Denial, and its no surprise that one of the authors circulating this myth, Michael Hoffman, is in fact an outspoken Holocaust Denier. In America and even somewhat in Europe, Black skinned people enjoy a monopoly of the history slavery and its oppressive effects. Natives did not participate in the slave trade. Yes, why were the Less valued Irish allowed to keep their last names, But Blacks were completely stripped of everything, even their identity. Two of the most famous Gallaghers are brothers and bandmates of Oasis fame, Liam and Noel Gallagher. http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/who-were-the-black-irish-92376439-237784721.html. As an African American woman with an Irish last name, i knew the Irish were slaves and figured thats how i got my last name. Were Irelands Viking invaders high on hallucinogenic herbal tea? Just like her arguing the distinction between different slave treatments. I would ask when was the last time a police-person STOPED you just because you looked the part of something bad O or you go to a nice store and your treated as if your a thief. Count DanielOMahonywas a general in the Irish Brigade and is one of the most famous people with the surname OMahoney. Chattel is another form, but we dont call it chattel servitude, on the other hand slavery and servitude has been used interchangeably with indentured, mostly semantics in regards to an individual vs a people. Regarding #3 who was making a dare? The Vikings were often referred to as the "dark invaders" or "black foreigners." A second article. There looks to be much more valuable information available if you search on this form of the name. The Table shown here gives a listing of the 100 most commonly names found in Ireland and their meanings. As with the Vikings, these were viewed as a people of "dark intentions" who ultimately colonized much of the Eastern part of the country and several larger towns. II, 1656-1662. Blacks participated and also were complacent in the slave trades. Both explanations for why blacks have Irish last names are only partially true. They were owned by an Irish family. But still many commentators, and even thought our recent political history, make topics like these into racial issues. It might be better to compare them to certain tribes that were all but decimated out would it not? I have never heard of these Irish. Only a few blacks were able to do this. Instead of using the word slaves, they were paid $per head and this made their enslavement different from that of blacks,so they became Indentured servants so were..the Asians mostly Indians..all the Mcdonald McCain McCoy all the Mc are Scottish ..to increased the whites population they send debtors ,who couldnt pay what they owe, and repeat criminals , the later date up to 1918 children were removed from orphanages from all across England. We got our hands on slave ledgers. Always a good idea not to counter generalizations with more generalizations and no sources. Something to keep in mind as you read. Such things only serve to bring further division among human beings. An African would know better. To add to it the female is usually severely overweight about half the time. So not forgotten but definitely no true or meaningful comparison. Blacks do not collectively own a patent on cruel slavery. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. Have you heard of people of Irish descent as "Black Irish.". As I said an Irish female slave mating with an African slave could not transfer his last name because it was the name of a white owner, if an Irish male slave mated with an African slave she would not get his slave name, it would be the property of the white owner, riddle us this??? Or, Is what happened to the Irish just a mere part of what happens to all, and to any of the different nations of men who are affected by the wicked works of the heathen? I have heard of some of the stories of the Irish slave trade; however, the black slaves in American took their last names from their masters; who usually had Scottish, Irish, or English last names. Modern examples of Irish/African being Barack Obama, Muhammad Ali, Dr Martin Luther King, Dr Henry Louis Gates, Colin Powell etc Even in modern times the two groups live in a lot of the same places, vote the same way politically, and both historically have been devalued unfairly by the Romanized world. This proclamation lasted 200 years ,ending some 9-13 years before Black Slavery Emancipation. I am mixed with other things but my maiden name is McClure. Most planters were multimilionaires by todays standards so purchasing thousands of enslaved blacks every 5 years to replaced the thousands who died from starvation, dehydration, disease, exposure, infection, brutality, suicide and mutilation was a minor expense. This is not a race issue! Early Origins of the Black family. After Cromwell there was such a situation, that later was deemed less desirable in a cost/benefit calculation, because of Irish poverty they could get the same benefit by using indentured servitude.*footnote. Did they feel they had a moral obligation to not support slavery? This is very informative. Unlike the African slaves, the Irish were physically indistinguishable from the English. On December 21, 1988 Jesse Jackson and a group of other black "leaders" officialy declared their support for the term 'African American'. Doyle Irish. Scott is a very popular surname. Or the African names were difficult to pronounce and not common to them so they gave them a name that was easier? Actress Meg Donnelly and Declan Donnelly, one half of the comedy duo Ant and Dec, are two famous bearers of the name Donnelly. When did the law stop saying that one drop of Irish blood could give people the legal right to kill, segregate, or abuse you? Did they have a say in being sold off to a new master? The likelihood, if you are Irish, or of African descent to be involved with any of this is smaller than you think. Slavery was a terrible condition to place on any people. There are a number of different claims as to the origin of the term Black Irish, none of which are possible to entirely prove or disprove. They account for a lot of the Irish sounding names in the south, whether they were Scots names, or co opted Irish names, they do not belong to the Irish family system. That meant they came here and worked their debt off and paid for their freedom. Why because only blacks get to claim such horrible treatment of their people? No one forced them to commit a crime. Not really, because its obvious, in which sickins me, I grew up born and raised in San Francisco CA. Surname Origin: Irish Alternate Surname Spellings: O'SULLIVAN, OSULLIVAN This forced labour was in essence an extension of the English Poor Laws, e.g. Google how and why enslaving whites/Christians was outlawed in the U.S. Im not going to do the research for you. There is little evidence to support this theory and it is unlikely that any significant number of Spanish soldiers would have survived long in the war-torn place that was 16th century Ireland. Whole towns disappeared into the MIddle East and North Africa as a result. Louisiana is one hundred apologetically AFRICAN roots. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. Conclusion: With regard to the article. This fact is recorded in ancient China, Egypt and Mesopotamia. However it is thought to refer to invaders throughout Irish history. However it took a while for them to be recognized as equals, even when JFK was elected as the first real Irishman to be president!!!!!. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts. This whole conversion of who had it worse is nonsensical. So, no, Irish did not get to keep their names, they got to keep their anglicized names, just like African slaves. For example, I am irish and my name in Irish is Aine Maire OFallanhaim, but it was Anglicized to Ann Marie Fallon by the British. The Essex Institute: Salem, 1912. The Healy familiar is a wonderful exemplar. In short, when enslaving Christians became illegal in North America, some of the newly freed white slave became slave owners and overseers. Last name: Duffy. Many of our foremothers were raped by the ships captains and the dozens if not hundreds of white crew members. "X" became the chosen surname of many black nationalists who rejected their slave names. O'Sullivan 4. Slavery is not the problem we have to endure. No one could understand the African language. It probably started out as a nickname given to a swarthy or darker-skinned person. slavery is not in the past. Several varied groups of multiracial people have sometimes been referred to as or identified as . This article is interesting as the subject of Irish slavery seems to be erased from history. Famous Flynns include actors Errol Flynn and Brandon Flynn. Bear in mind black African slaves had the stigma of being likened to animals, mentally backwards and being treated as savage- Which was part of the propaganda system to justify black Africans being enslaved. if you go to a protestant area in belfast they are putting polish and africans out of the area. Moore is another of the most popular Irish names. However, we do know that numerous Norman invaders did settle in Ireland and integrate into Irish society. Banishment did not solve the problem completely, so King James , the second gave his blessing and encouragement to the selling off of Irish men and women as slaves to the English planters who at this time were becoming entrenched and very rich. I have a very Irish last nameMurphy, enjoy and thanks for sharing Konnetta! The Central Statistics Office regularly records Walsh as one of the most common surnames in Ireland. I will just say that both existed and as such proves that anyone who is racist and thinks they are justified in being racist is wrong because even with differences of culture, tradition and society all people are the same and we should all treat each other equally and with equal respect. By the mid-19th century, Connor was the most common variant of this name. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved.. The Irish and Scots-Irish did indeed own slaves in America and many of their emancipated slaves took their surname. Some of that comes from atrocities visited upon African Americans during the 19th and 20th centuries such as the union riots that rocked many northern urban centers. Race was judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. The African slave trade was a better deal. Notable Flanagans include actor Tommy Flanagan and actress Crista Flanagan. I do know my last name Orr is Scottish Irish but I dont know much else. Ben Frankin was indentured for a time to his own cousin. Again , please dont source liam hogan lol haha, he is a librarian.not a historian!!!!! But during the times of slavery in America the Irish people (in Ireland) were subjected to the penal laws, which I suspect were similar the the Jim Crow laws. Another clue are terms "Black Dutch" and "Black Irish." These were used by families to hide their ethnicity. The history of the Irish enslavement should not be swept under the rug. The mortality rate of enslaved Africans during the slave trade was so high that white planters had to replace entire popoulations of 30,000 plus people every 5-7 years. You see Irish people as part of your oppressors because they have the same skin colour, and you resort to the exact racial slurs and derogatory comments that the white English used against them the same white English that oppressed YOUR ancestors. The term is used among people of Irish descent and sometimes confuses people since it doesn't refer to dark skin color. Could they have not read the plight of slaves in the newspaper? I can say MacIntyre, I dont know what a Mwanajna is, Ill call you Mo. Similar to many of the Americanized name changes coming through Ellis Island. What Im saying is that youre complete idiot.) Notable Lyons include Australian politician Joseph Lyons and actor David Lyons. https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%e2%80%98irish-slaves%e2%80%99-convenient-myth, Some good explanations of the term Black Irish: If a slave owner named Washington or Jefferson bred an Irish slave with an enslaved African, why would he give the surname of the Irish slave to the offspring? British Penal Code offenders, Irish Rebels and, the destitute hardly have the power to enter into voluntary servitude (whether some poor actually did or not), it would be like calling your dog a voluntary pet. If a slave owner named Washington or Jefferson bred an Irish slave with an enslaved African, why would he give the surname of the Irish slave to the offspring? go and watch the black irish of monsaretti they are proud of there irish hertiage and know that there ancsters were from ireland and africa. Maybe in a generalized way, but can never say for each individual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people#Black_Irish One of the most famous people with the surname Quinn is actor Aidan Quinn. No, most were poor and fought because their homeland was invaded, and not for some big ideological reason. 9. My grandmother had told me this when I was a little girl, If you come from a family who is of mixed race, and they know the old family school and is not afraid to tell you, cause this was known but your not suppose to talk about it..but I always knew cause of the red hair, but eyes and freckles..the freckles are a sure sign my grandma would say..I learned sp much from her said she wasnt allowed to talk are educate anyone of it, once my grandfather died she told everything..she was a Creole borne in Baton Rouge La.
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