Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. What does the department of labor think about this? Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! Whats my take? You think this college student focused recruit is the only thing they've planned for beyond the short term? Death to racist capitalism, Life and good health to the international working class. Nice, new and nonstop. Our point-to-point network means no connections for an easier, quicker and nicer journey. Unfortunatetly, US travel and passenger fare remains an uncertainty. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? I am over the moon thrilled! I would think having your own place paid for as an apartment or even sharing would save you $6000 a month at least. To that end, it's not that much different than regular college life (many students work part time), but you won't burden yourself with huge college debt because those kids won't have to worry about tuition and housing. AFTER 4 YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS OVER AND CANNOT BE RENEWED. Maybe there are ancillary benefits/travel privileges' that are enormously valuable to some people. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. more like the lived way of another religious group who is willing to do ANYTHING to keep control in place, . No Per Diem. You get what you pay for folks! A huge percentage of new flight attendants leave within the first year. I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. Not to mention the work ethic or lack of it. As for the FA's..they will definitely be lined up around the block for a job like this with those benies. Years ago right out of college I worked as a contractor on-site at one of the biggest technology companies in the world. Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. Frankly Im somewhere in the middle here. On the small regional hops, inexperience is almost the default. And its an immediate tip-of-the-hat to what their culture will be based onmoney is king, you dont matter. Fares are still way to high in the industry. No other large country trains and hires their airline pilots the way we do. Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. There are almost 1000 E175/E190 type rated pilots from ExpressJet and Compass. save. It's quite likely that Breeze wants the low minimum guarantee of 55 so that they can shrink their capacity in the low-demand months without paying pilots to sit. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. Within a few years, she decided ENT surgery would be somewhat more interesting work and spent more than a decade training up at a resident wages that most union folk would scoff at. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be "turns" - out and back same day. Per the website, FAs can work a maximum of 60 hours per month. Classes are 100% online. Where do I sign up? Also even the numbers you quote put them right in line (if not slightly above) the regional peers like SkyWest. $36.76. Not everyone is born into wealth and that could be one of the deciding factors for people to apply. Glorious. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. Over time, these airplanes are to be swapped out with Airbus A220s. The $1200 a month is not really a salary, but rather a stipend for a college-like experience while interning as FA part time. They both seem to have similar business models, but SW has really gotten expensive in some markets these past few years. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. Sounds awfully low especially with a 55-hour minimum pay. Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor policy for flight attendants just so happens to be maintaining a youthful labor force as seniors depart from - er graduate - their internships and are replaced by freshmen (and women; the term fresh was intentionally omitted as that does not exactly present well given the context). You should be too. Profitability is how many dollars you make your investors, i.e. I worked for the now defunct Bar Harbor Airlines in the 80s. @Wendy B Gates - Breeze didn't specifically tell me I'm too old, they said I was overqualified. Friday, September 30, 2022 Contact; Advertise; About Us; Subscribe; Videos; Accessibility; 0 items $0.00; Sign in. Some interns are unpaid. Thats exactly what I got from reading the article.. Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. Attn: Airline Pilot Central They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. At 55 min, it seems like a part time job. My airline had a trip that left LGA early in the morning to CMH. Technology is greatuntil something goes wrong. Even with the limited details we know, its clear Breeze will be different than other airlines, from its approach to hiring flight attendants, to its cost structure, to its fleet. Same pattern emerges for Captains as well. 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! JetBlue is the only other major US airline to fly Embraer 190/195s, proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, Introduction: Four Times Across The Atlantic. Breeze Airways insights Based on 31 survey responses Areas for improvement Fair pay for job Support from manager Overall satisfaction Bad leadership Customer Service Representative (Former Employee) - Salt Lake City, UT - February 13, 2023 Breeze has potential as a start-up. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. My regional got dumped by United and now Im at another regional at the bottom of a seniority list making way less money with bad work rules flying the same tail numbers I did before. Aviation is amazing!! Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. Are they taking advantage of the pilot supply right nowprobably so, because they can, but to claim they're being "exploitative" is a stretch in my opinion. Disappointed but not surprised. At 5 bucks an hour. Criticizing workers for lack of professional ambition is part of our toxic "professional achievement & success, income as identity" culture, especially where there are so many ways to live fulfilling lives that are not defined by constant growth of income. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. Rude, Fat-Fugly, Nasty, Filthy, Unfit. There could be plenty of pilots typed and timed in the E-jets whod be willing to take this awhile waiting to get (back) to the majors. Overall, it sounds like he spent his time in Brazil calculating every aspect of his U.S. comeback. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. Very clever. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. The LDS coming from the Beehive State have, at the end of the day, always thought of its team members really as worker bees. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. @rich Does your fast food place include housing as part of compensation? Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. Split a very inexpensive room with one or two others and have a fun time. I could not afford to live in SFO and couldn't find another crashpad with openings unless I hot racked. There will be plenty of applicants! FAs are there for your safety: The younger the FA, the stronger they are. I am over the moon thrilled! Free shipping for many products! New airplane, new business model. the recruiters told me: A union can negotiate for the whole group, unity makes force. Not Germany, France, the UK, Japan, no one. No Per Diem. This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! There's a good chance that well-spoken, polished, and slightly tired surgeon you call "doctor", who has "MD" on their snappy-looking business card, and who so patiently listens to all of your ailments and deep thoughts about dizziness and tinnitus is a resident physician, AKA an intern. This hasnt been without controversy, though. Those were sure great times, what happened? What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. Before we get into the details of Breezes pilot pay, and compare it to pay at other airlines, note that: First year Breeze pilots will make $36,300. Maybe wait and see? CORRECTION for the above; should be as follows: - like airlines based in countries that still allow for hiring and firing based on age., Apologies for the error! I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. "Filet mignon sandwich?" You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. I'm 41. The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. To be honest, many college kids waste 4 years of tuition partying and enjoying life without learning anything substantial. Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. Kinda like most private sector unions. I cringe at labeling jobs without limitless potential for professional growth as "dead-end". Finally, an "internship" employment model has limited potential for growth. Forgot to add to my previous post that it is two person corporate housing with private bedrooms (think Residence Inn by Marriott, like SkyWest training). @rich $15 an hour plus benefits for most fast food jobs are just for the interim. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? It's not like America's legacy airlines are immune to hiring very young, very inexperienced people. In the meantime, if you don't like the pay, go see if another airline is hiring. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card Ben Schlappig Published: April 29, 2021 Updated: August 12, 2022 99 With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. Login Support. Is there a penalty for leaving early? I'll have fries with that, thanks. What we have here is an attempt to hornswoggle naive, inexperienced workers by adding a meaningless term to an employment contract. It sounds to me like I am reading a history book about people who had to work in company housing, buying at the company store - another day older and deeper in debt. How far can this avalanche go where the top 1% get ever greater portions of the wealth, while the rest, well we dont think about them. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. Given that long haul truckers can make that and more, with additional signing bonuses, you must really love to fly and be desperate. David Neeleman, the founder of Breeze Airways, also started JetBlue not too long ago, but the pilot payscale for both companies is quite different. Each model comes with display stand, rolling gears, and is assembled and ready to display. And which also clearly states that there will be no contract renewal. Whatta country! If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. Guest Service Plan. This might work at Breeze for now given the state of the airline industry, but somethings gotta give over time here. I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. No guests. An airline, perfect for SLC. Our Pilots are overall Leaders who safely take care of our Team Members and Guests. When I met my wife, she wanted to be a physical therapist. Prime Minister/Moderator. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. The wont to have pilots on there books, but wont have at the beginnig a lot of flightsSo from a business point it makes sence to have more pilots who only fligh 55h instead of having less pilots with 75h. The comments in here are so disheartening. I hope it does not come off the ground and if it does, it goes bankrupt after a week. Our model gets smarter over time as more people share salaries on Glassdoor. Interesting model. 1200/month in 2021??? A 25 year veteran Flight Attendant is exactly who you want on a Flight if there's any type of emergency. The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the minimum hour guarantee as a point of shame and quickly set up union representation. Yes, they are using and abusing us. In youth I worked fast food full-time for many years. The most qualified and competent FA candidates will not be happy with a job that is not only poorly paid, but offers next-to-zero chances of becoming a career with that employer, while being viewed negatively by the career employers in the field. You think the fact they've bought a union card somehow empowers them with experience? So, that will Hey. Launching an airline carrier during a pandemic when aviation losses are in the billions, seems to be a tricky business proposition. Customer service: Generally speaking, younger hires are friendlier and perkier. They make expensive mistakes. Love! Nobody knows yet. For a college student, this beats the shit out of working at the mall. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. What they do at launch and what they do 2 years later can be entirely different. What do you make of these Breeze insights? Tons of excess pilot supply at the moment. That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. Here's to hoping for an actual pilot shortage in the next few years, and then we'll all be laughing at this ridiculous pay. People forget that people have different life circumstances than their own. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. There are highly educated older people sitting around and posting on onemileatatime.com somewhat bored while a high-earning spouse pulls down a large salary. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. There is no contract (at will employment) and health insurance is provided and optional. Why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? Are they being put up in an extended stay type compound? Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? Why @sruart does the country really need more low wage perminent temporary jobs? Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card, Avelo Airlines having launched operations, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup, expected to start selling tickets any day now, Breeze Airways views flight attendants as interns, Breeze wants you to buy a filet mignon sandwich, Breeze will have low fares, no change fees, Breeze has a huge cost advantage over competitors, Breezes controversial approach to hiring flight attendants, Should Babies Be Allowed In First Class? Keep working at it, maybe you'll can find an unpaid internship on Arsenio. Or the app crashing? As an MD and introducing herself to patients as "Doctor", her salary started at about $30,000. Go there to get flight time and then move on. We are in search of the best and the brightest to join our dynamic team of aviation and people enthusiasts. Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. Breeze's schedule is likely to have heavy seasonal flex. See more about our ethics policies here. Log into your account. I'm a flight attendant for JetBlue Airways and I make $56 per hour, that is, after 15 years but still. And that doesn't include per diem. They cost a lot to train up and cost a lot to manage. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. I'm willing to bet that they will start service to Tampa. Pilots are incredibly overpaid as it is. Can't believe. Not for everyone - dah. I would instruct my old self to work yet harder for my lousy salary. 6) When I have a lay-over in some capital of commerce, I may even be able to interview for my next great adventure for once I graduate! Can you imagine just getting a text message your flight is canceled and you're rescheduled for 2 days laterand you can't call anyone to change it? New or retreads? If the pay is off the mark, the marketplace will correct this soon enough: pilots have options, and they know it. The job may fit more workers than you think. share. Of course, what's needed is a severe pilot shortage to really change up the whole industry. Scary and for sure a company that will NEVER see me on any of there planes! Considering that airlines pay for very expensive training twice a year, this tactic may prove more expensive in the long run. Breeze Airways Overview Overview 56 Reviews 39 Jobs 5 Salaries 35 Interviews 16 Benefits -- Photos View Jobs at Breeze Airways Breeze Airways Overview Work Here? The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. I hope he's prepared to pay pilots a real premium, otherwise why go to a startup when the legacies will be hiring big-time. If you are a green bean rookie like Cricket than you will imagine that you have won the lottery.. Must be at least 23 years old at the time of hire, Must have 1,500+ hours total time (not including simulator and/or Flight Engineer time), Current First-Class FAA Medical Certificate, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, High school diploma or equivalent educational achievement, FAA Unrestricted Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate with airplane multi-engine class rating, Must have a minimum of 3,000 hours fixed wing time. But lets say you have a couple of days off. 2) Free Travel! Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. But it may be a great opportunity for some as I said for 1-2 years for a young person. Anyone with a college degree need not apply to be a flight attendant, while the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options pay is roughly on par with regionals, while requirements are significantly higher. The average salary for Flight Attendant at Breeze Airways in the United States is $19.64 per hour, which is 14% below the national average. 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. Expect most Breeze tickets this summer to cost well under $100 one-way When Breeze takes delivery of A220s later this year the airline will offer a first class, and expect those tickets to cost an extra $50-100 one-way Breeze will charge $20 for checked bags on flights under three hours Breeze won't charge change or cancelation fees Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. Breeze Airways First Officers: $62,000 by year six, JetBlue First Officers: $117,000 by year six, Breeze Airways Captains: $94,000 by year six. so yes their work force has negotiated rates based on the companies success. Its not gonna work. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. I interviewed with them for cabin crew You must be enrolled at Utah Valley University full-time and maintain 3.0 GPA. Also: are families welcome? Kinda like this site makes money signing people up for credit cards. On the other hand I have a feeling this is going to be an age discrimination lawsuit happening as soon as they figure out no one over the age of 30 is being hired for a flight attendant. Breeze has started hiring pilots, and its making pay at some regional airlines look lucrative by comparison (and keep in mind pilots often work at regional airlines to gain experience, and eventually get a job at one of the major carriers). Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). Again, a lot will depend upon the future demand for air travel. Is Breeze Airways pilot pay unreasonable? Checking in Online. Breeze Airways provides nonstop service between underserved routes across the U.S. at affordable fares. Get some help. Procter and Gamble, I'm thinking of you! I would have loved an opportunity like this. Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? Sad that people in society know what's best for everybody else and don't want people making their own decisions. My starting pay clear back in 1983 was1500/month! We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. Upon arrival, you sat for 5 hours, then returned to LGA. Poor, poor me. The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. Thanks for update !! There are rules about pilots moonlighting in order to ensure they are properly rested for duty. What do you make of Breezes approach to hiring? Landing June 2023. Breeze Airways Pilots are responsible for ensuring safe and timely flight operations in accordance with all Company policies and Federal Aviation Regulations. So, that will be difficult. Ahead of the launch, Forbes has an interesting story about the airline, after having spent some time with founder David Neeleman. They have no employees right now and are relying upon applicants to look at the pay and say "Sounds good enough to me." Mar 22, 2022 #1 Effective immediately: 6-year scale Year 1: $25.00 -27.00 (depending on experience) Year 6: $34.00 . document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Just as the cure for high prices, are high prices, the cure for low wages, are low wages. I wish more airlines provided housing options. If not the airplane no flight. The article also fails to factor in per diem amounts and the tax advantage that goes with that. The end result will be lesser pilots and more accidents in the future. Its all about price. The downside for me, and they exist in almost all arrangements, is the unknown as to whether we'll have health insurance. These numbers are minimums. Im a retired AA captain. Great article !!! Does New Carrier Breeze Airways Pay Pilots Enough. Our business address is: That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. I think a lot of Airlines would be happy to have the pilots at 55 instead of 75.
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